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【世事關心】再造里根時代的輝煌?

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【新唐人北京時間2018年07月31日訊】【世事關心】(474)再造里根時代的輝煌?:西方媒體對前總統里根和現總統川普進行了很多比較,從他們出人意料的崛起,到問鼎白宮,再到二人在出理時政方面採取的異乎尋常的策略,表面上看,目前川普總統和當年里根總統打的不是同一場仗,對里根來說,那是冷戰,對川普而言,是一場正在進行的貿易戰,然而,這兩場戰爭的核心卻是自由世界共產主義政權之間懸而未決的意識形態之爭。
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美國與歐盟正朝著零關稅的目標推進。這對目前的美中貿易戰意味著什麼呢?
The U.S. and the EU are working toward zero tariffs. What does it mean for the U.S.-China trade war?

夏業良先生(前北京大學經濟學教授): 「我相信世界上絕大多數的經濟貿易體,都會進入到一個非常低、甚至零關稅的自由貿易區之內。這樣的話對中國來說是一個非常大的遏制和打擊。」
「 believe, will enter a stage of extremely low, even zero-tariff. That will be a disastrous suppression and blow to China. 」

川普可能在貿易問題上向中國全力開火。最終的結局將會是什麼?
Trump might go full force with China on trade. What is his endgame?

夏業良先生(前北京大學經濟學教授):「我認為他有更大的格局,他有些東西沒有說出來,但是他做的含義不僅僅是在貿易和經濟領域。」
「He has greater visions, part of which are never mentioned publicly. But his considerations have gone beyond trade and economy. 」

說到底,俄羅斯與美國真的會成為朋友嗎?
Can Russia and the U.S. be friends after all?

文昭(新唐人資深評論員): 「他與俄國修復關係有利於專注應付主要的威脅。在川普的第一個任期內要重建和俄羅斯關係挑戰還很大。」
「Restoring the relationship with Russia would help the U.S. to focus on its main threat. So during Trump’s first term, restoring the relationship with Russia remains a great challenge. 」

蕭茗(Host/Simone Gao):歡迎來到《世事關心》,我是蕭茗。西方媒體對前總統里根和現總統川普進行了很多比較——從他們出人意料的崛起,到問鼎白宮,再到二人在處理時政方面採取的異乎尋常的策略。表面上看,目前川普總統和當年里根總統打的不是同一場仗。對里根來說,那是冷戰;對川普而言,是一場正在進行的貿易之戰。然而,在這兩場戰爭的核心,卻是自由世界共產主義政權之間懸而未決的意識形態之爭。本期節目我們將作一個深度比較,對贏得一場戰爭須具備的決定性因素進行重點關注。這些因素都有哪些?我們認為,這裡涉及到美國的幾個全球戰略聯盟,美國人民,以及總統是否能夠抓住時機、果斷出手的意願。當年里根做到了,他創造了歷史。那麼,歷史會重演嗎?且讓我們拭目以待。
Welcome to《 Zooming In》. I’m Simone Gao. The Western media has drawn numerous comparisons between Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, from their unconventional rise to presidency to their unorthodox approaches in dealing with current affairs. On the surface, President Trump is not fighting the same war that Reagan did. For Ronald Reagan, it was the Cold War. For President Trump, it is the ongoing trade war. However, at the core of both wars is the unresolved ideological difference between the free world and the communist regime. In this episode, we’ll draw a deeper comparison by focusing on several deterministic factors for winning a war. What are these factors? In our view, they relate to U.S. strategic global alliances, the American people, and the president’s willingness to seize the day and make bold moves. Reagan did this and he made history. Will history repeat itself? Let’s take a look.

2013年,美國前第一夫人南希·里根在接受《今日美國》報採訪時說:「當時很多人害怕『改變現狀』,但是,英國首相柴契爾夫人要實現的願景卻非常清晰,堅定地捍衛自己的信念。」 結果,她促成了蘇聯的解體,千千萬萬的人得到了解放。
In 2013, former first lady Nancy Reagan told USA Today: 「As prime minister, Margaret had the clear vision and strong determination to stand up for her beliefs at a time when so many were afraid to 'rock the boat.' As a result, she helped to bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union and the liberation of millions of people.」

川普與中國開打貿易戰,但是卻沒有像鐵娘子那樣的人助他一臂之力。而且歐洲各國對川普加征鋼鐵和鋁關稅,以及威脅對汽車出口徵稅而感到不滿。
Donald Trump does not have an Iron Lady to help him in his trade war against China. European nations are upset with him for imposing steel and aluminum tariffs and for threatening to impose tariffs on auto exports.

川普總統這是擺明了他要單槍匹馬,使全球貿易環境趨於公平。 7月24日,他發推文說,「我們就像是被打劫的『存錢罐』。」川普肩負著終結這一局面的重任。
President Trump demonstrated his willingness to single-handedly level the global trade playing field. On July 24 he tweeted, 「we are the『piggy bank』 that’s being robbed.」He is on a mission to end that.

歐洲國家已經注意到了川普堅韌不拔的精神,就像他們曾經注意到里根總統堅定不移地實現自己的政策一樣。 歷史再一次重演,7月25日,歐盟委員會主席容克會見了川普總統。雙方同意朝著「零關稅」的目標推進,開啟美歐關係的新時代。
Europe took notice of his tenacity, similar to how they noticed Ronald Reagan’s tenacity in pursuing his policy. History again repeated itself; On July 25, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker met with President Trump. They agreed to work toward「zero tariffs」 and start a new phase for the U.S.-EU relationship.

Trump: 「We agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. Soybeans is a big deal. And the European Union is going to start, almost immediately, to buy a lot of soybeans. They are a tremendous market. Buy a lot of soybeans from our farmers.」
川普(美國總統):「我們今天已經達成共識。首先,我們將共同努力實現零關稅,零非關稅壁壘以及對非汽車工業產品的零補貼。謝謝! 我們還將努力減少各種障礙,增加服務業、化學品、藥品、醫療用品以及大豆的貿易。大豆是一個大問題,歐盟將會立即開始購買大量的大豆。他們有一個巨大的市場,會從我們的農民那裡購買很多大豆。」

Jean-Claude Juncker(歐盟委員會主席):「當我被川普總統邀請到白宮時我有一個意願,我希望今天能達成協議,我們做到了。」
Jean-Claude Juncker(E.U. Commission President): 「When I was invited by the president to the White House I had one intention, I had the intention to make a deal today, and we made a deal. 」

蕭茗(Host/Simone Gao):美國與歐盟關係的最新進展表明,中國聯歐抗美的策略遭到失敗。就在此前不久,人民幣對美元貶值。自7月25日起,人民幣以6.78收盤,3個月內損失6.9%。對中國而言這意味著什麼?就這些問題,我們採訪了原北京大學經濟學教授夏業良先生。
The latest change in the U.S.-EU relationship shows that China’s strategy of rallying Europe against the U.S. failed. Right before that, the Chinese yuan depreciated against the dollar. As of July 25, the yuan closed at 6.78 and lost 6.9% in three months. What does all this mean to China? I discussed these questions with former Peking University Professor of Economics David Xia.

蕭茗(Host/Simone Gao):「這輪新的人民幣貶值您覺得是中共政權所為嗎?它給中美貿易戰帶來了什麼樣的影響? 還有,川普和歐盟主席宣布謀求美歐之間零關稅。中共政權要如何應對呢?」
「 Do you think this new round of Renminbi depreciation was a move of the Chinese communist regime? What impact has it had upon the ongoing U.S.-China trade war? And Trump and the European Commission president announced they would work towards zero tariffs. How will the Chinese regime deal with that?」

夏業良先生(前北京大學經濟學教授):「 由於人民幣最近這些年,它的幣值跟中國的實體經濟、外部經濟環境、中國金融體系的風險、以及人民幣的發行量,這幾個因素是相關聯的。所以我一直在分析和批評的就是說,中國政府這種做法呢,也就是濫發貨幣的做法,一定會使人民幣顯著貶值。這個貶值在中長期都是非常確定的趨勢。那麼在短期裡面顯得那麼突出,有人懷疑是中國政府做的手腳。但是我覺得現在政府也沒有必要有意的大幅度的貶值,他可能最多就是不加幹預。比如說我們知道,當人民幣貶值幅度過大,如果官方為了讓人民幣顯得更加穩定、堅挺,他可以動用外匯儲備,去大量的,比如說購買人民幣、去拋出美元,這樣的話使得人民幣保持一定的升值幅度。但是顯然現在在目前這個階段,他沒有必要這麼做。因為中美貿易戰打響之後,如果人民幣貶值,對促進出口,從一般意義上來講是有利的,但是現在的情況又不一定有那麼大的利益。因為我們知道,美國等於宣布了對中國的全部出口到美國的5000億美元,都採取高關稅的商品徵收,所以這樣的一個做法使得僅僅讓人民幣貶值,並不能達到通常意義上的促進出口的作用。再加上最近兩天,川普剛剛跟歐盟的主要負責人容克會談,而且發表了一個聲明,這個聲明表明,美國和歐盟之間將消除貿易障礙、關稅,也消除任何補貼,這樣就造成了『零關稅』、『零補貼』的這樣的一個自由貿易區。而且這兩個區域的人口加在一起是8.3億,佔世界總人口的接近12%,然後它的GDP總量佔世界GDP總量的50%。這麼大的一個自由經濟體、自由經濟貿易區,再加上日本,加上其它的一些貿易大國,我相信世界上絕大多數的經濟貿易體,都會進入到一個非常低,甚至零關稅的自由貿易區之內。這樣的話對中國來說是一個非常大的遏制和打擊,所以中國採取這種小的手段,讓人民幣貶值,也沒有辦法扭轉這樣的一個局勢。」
「 Over the years, the value of Renminbi has been related to China’s real economy, its external economic environment, risks in its financial system, and money supply. So, as I criticized, this approach of the Chinese government -- over-issuing currency -- will certainly depreciate Renminbi significantly. This depreciation is a sure trend in both the middle and long term. Right now it’s so obvious in the short term that some doubt it is a move by the Chinese government. However, I don’t see much need for the regime to do so. What it might do at most is leave the currency uninterrupted. As we know, if Renminbi is depreciated too much, the authorities may use its foreign exchange reserve, say, in large amounts, buying Renminbi and selling U.S. dollars, to keep its currency stable and appreciated to a certain degree. But right now, there’s no such need. Yes, generally, depreciation will contribute to exports amid the U.S. trade war with China. However, we face a situation in which that method might not necessarily bring about huge interests as expected. It’s known that America’s stance means it will slap high tariffs on $500 billion dollars’ worth of Chinese imports. Therefore, China, by devaluing Renminbi, alone cannot successfully promote its exports in a usual sense. More importantly, President Trump and European Commission President Juncker issued a statement following their summit that both sides would remove trade barriers, tariffs, and any subsidies, thus creating a free trade zone with 『zero tariffs』,and 『zero subsidie』. Mind you, the total population of the two regions is 830 million, nearly 12 percent of the world’s population. And their GDP combined consists of 50 percent of the world’s. With such a titan free economy for free trade zone, if added up with Japan and some other trading powers, the majority of global economies, I believe, will enter a stage of extremely low, even zero-tariff. That will be a disastrous suppression and blow to China. Therefore, the Chinese regime will never change the dynamic, with such a minor scheme -- depreciation.」

接下來,我們聊一聊中國目前真實的經濟、政治是怎樣一種現狀?川普總統是否發現了32年前里根總統發現的一個機會?
Coming up, what is China’s true economic and political status? Does President Trump see an opportunity President Reagan saw 32 years ago?

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):中國真實的經濟、政治現狀,比西方媒體感覺到的還要動盪得多。32年前,當里根總統洞察到蘇聯經濟多麼脆弱的時候,他毫不猶豫,採取了非常大膽的一步,使整個世界格局發生了天翻地覆的變化。那麼,歷史會重演嗎?讓我們首先重溫一下歷史,看看20世紀80年代中期究竟發生了什麼。
China’s true economic and political state is much more turbulent than what the Western world perceives. 32 years ago, when President Reagan gained insight of how vulnerable the Soviet Union’s economy was, he didn’t hesitate to make a decisive move to bring down the whole thing. Will history repeat itself? Let’s first revisit what happened in the mid 1980s.

1983年3月,里根總統宣佈了戰略防禦計畫(SDI), 該計劃很快成為談判的目標。 1986年10月,里根和戈爾巴喬夫在冰島會談。 戈爾巴喬夫在軍備控制的幾乎各個方面都提出讓步,但條件是美國必須放棄戰略防禦計劃。 里根拒絕了戈爾巴喬夫所提的條件,會談不歡而散。但是,會談使里根得出一條關鍵性結論:蘇聯懼怕美國的戰略防禦計畫。隨後,里根將這個計畫的預算增加了兩倍,很快導致了美蘇軍備競賽的終結,以及蘇聯的解體。 今天,當川普總統對500億美元、然後可能2000億美元,甚至可能5000億美元的中國商品徵收關稅時,他是否發現了一個類似於32年前里根總統發現的那個機會呢?
In March 1983, Reagan announced the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). SDI soon became the target of negotiations. In October of 1986, Reagan and Gorbachev met in Iceland. Gorbachev proposed concessions in nearly every area of arms control but under the condition that the U.S. would give up its SDI program. Reagan refused the conditions and walked away with an important insight -- that the Soviet Union feared his program. Reagan then tripled America’s SDI budget, which soon brought the arms race to an end and led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Today, when President Trump put tariffs on 50 billion dollars of Chinese goods and then possibly 200 billion and then possibly the total of 500 billion, does he see an opportunity similar to the one Reagan saw 32 years ago?

在西方社會,我們每天都會聽到有關中國的消息,但是我們仍然不清楚中國防火牆背後在上演著怎樣的動盪。
In the West, we hear news about China on a daily basis, but we still don’t see the turbulence building behind China’s Great Firewall.

7月25日,在北京宣佈將採取更加積極的財政政策後,人民幣跌至年內最低點。 儘管受政策驅動,股市在2018年反彈回升,但是中國的經濟晴雨錶——「上證綜合指數」在2018年6月間卻一直呈下行趨勢。
On July 25, the yuan fell to its lowest of the year after Beijing announced that it would pursue a more vigorous fiscal policy. Despite the policy-driven stock market bounce in 2018, China’s economic thermometer ——「the Shanghai Composite index」has been trending downward through June 2018.

7月25日當日,路透社的一篇文章顯示,4000名高淨值投資者紛紛湧向銀行,並佔領了銀行。原來上海阜興集團旗下四家私募股權公司的管理團隊在上月突然跑路。 因此,投資者無法收回自己的投資。阜興集團資產管理總額達300億元人民幣,是中國市場上最大的玩家之一。這只是公司老闆和高管拿著投資者的資金跑路失蹤的最新案例而已。人們普遍認為,中國的宏觀經濟狀況無法支持這些私募股權公司作出的高收益承諾。未來將爆發經濟泡沫。
On the same day, a Reuters article revealed that 4000 high net worth investors rushed to banks and occupied them. Management teams from four private equity firms under Shanghai Fu Xing disappeared over the last month. As a result, investors cannot redeem their investments. Fu Xing has $30 billion in assets under its management, one of the largest players in the Chinese market. This is only the latest example of ownership and management disappearing with investors’ money. A general observation is that China’s macroeconomic status does not support the high-yield promises made by these private equity firms. The bubble will burst in the future.

7月13日,有消息稱,中國許多公共場所都將中共領導人習近平的畫像從大廳的牆上撤下。接下來的一周,又有消息傳出,中國精英階層和一些中共黨內高級幹部已經達成一致,將讓習近平從現位置上退下。 雖然習近平按計畫訪問非洲,表明他並未面臨被立即廢除的危險,但外界一致認為,他在黨內遇到了強大阻力。
On July 13, news broke that many public places took down Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s posters from their lobbies. By the following week, news spread that the elites and some high CCP officials established an agreement to take down Xi Jinping from his position. Although Xi embarked for Africa as scheduled, indicating he is not in immediate danger of being deposed, the consensus is that he encountered strong resistance within the party.

同樣是在7月份,中國檢查機構宣佈,中國最大的疫苗生產商「長春長生生物技術有限公司」違反了安全標準。粗略估計表明,25萬支問題疫苗已給孩子們接種了。 這一消息在中國社交媒體上傳播開來,迅速火爆。此類新聞繼續侵蝕著公眾對食品和服務安全的信心,以致絕望的中國家長們將自己的訴求反映到美國駐華大使館的官網上,尋求幫助。
Also in July, Chinese inspectors announced Changchun Changsheng Biotechnology, China’s largest vaccine maker, had violated safety standards. A rough estimate indicated that a quarter of a million faulty vaccines had been administered to children. This news went viral on Chinese social media, as news like this continues to erode public confidence on food and service safety. Desperately, parents in China took their concerns to the U.S. embassy website to seek support.

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):民眾的抗議,政治謠言的傳播,無不讓中共面臨的壓力與日俱增。事實上,強勁的經濟增長已經成為支撐中共統治合法性的唯一來源。如果貿易戰能夠擊破這一假像,中國可能會發生劇烈的政治變革。難道川普現在面臨的是32年前里根遇到的相同的局面?讓我們來聽一聽夏業良教授的看法。
Public outcry and political rumors all point to the mounting pressure the Chinese Communist Party faces. In fact, strong economic growth has been the only source of legitimacy for the Communist Party’s rule. If the trade war undermines that, China could go through drastic political changes. Is Trump facing the same situation that Reagan did 32 years ago? Let’s hear from David Xia again.

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):「川普現在準備好了再給2000億的中國商品加關稅。您覺得他真的有可能最後給所有中國商品加關稅嗎?如果這樣做,他最終想達到的目的是甚麼?」
「Now Trump is ready to place tariffs on an additional $200 billion of Chinese imports. Do you believe he is likely to impose tariffs on all Chinese products? If he does so, what would be his final goal?」

夏業良先生(前北京大學經濟學教授):「其實川普他把所有的牌幾乎都亮出來了。亮出來的目的其實就是要震懾,或者就是講,給出一個嚴重的警告,希望中國政府不要採取對抗性的、報復性的措施。那麼這樣的話就自然會緩解。但如果中國政府也是以牙還牙的話,那麼貿易戰就會升級,雙方都會遭受相當程度的損失。當然了,我以前多次強調過,美國不會傷筋動骨,而中國可能承受不了這個貿易戰的後果。當然有人說川普是一個商人,所以他只在乎商業利益?這點我也不這麼看,我認為他有更大的格局,他有些東西沒有說出來,但是他做的含義不僅僅是在貿易和經濟領域。我相信作為一個里根總統的崇拜者,他對國際戰略、國際格局的思考,也不會遜於任何一個前任總統。所以我相信我們要再給一定的時間和機會,能夠看到川普在很多方面有更大的作為。」
「 In fact, Trump has shown almost all his cards. The purpose of his doing so is to deter China or give it a harsh warning, hoping China will not take any confrontational, retaliatory responses. In that case, tensions will naturally ease up. But, if China vows tit-for-tat responses, a trade war will escalate so that both sides will endure significant losses. As I repeatedly stressed, America’s strength wouldn’t be critically undercut. But China wouldn’t be able to endure consequences of this war. Some have doubts: Given his background as a businessman, does Trump only care about commercial interests? I don’t think so. He has greater visions, part of which are never mentioned publicly. But his considerations have gone beyond trade and economy. As an admirer of President Reagan, I’m convinced Trump is no less capable when compared with any of his predecessors in terms of international patterns and strategies. So, give him time and opportunity. And we’ll see he’ll come to greater accomplishments in many fields. 」

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):「面對川普施壓,中方一再使用激怒川普的方式做回應。您覺得習近平對中美貿易戰到底持什麼態度?他會在國內外的雙重壓力下進行根本性的改變嗎?」
「 Because of pressure from Trump, Chinese authorities repeatedly responded in a provoking manner. What’s Xi Jinping’s attitude towards the U.S.-China trade war? Will Xi make a fundamental change under pressure, both domestic and abroad?」

夏業良先生(前北京大學經濟學教授):「習近平, 大家都說呢,他是小學文化程度、假博士,而且他的性格比較二,這個二呢就是楞頭青的意思,不大能聽得進人家的規勸。所以呢,他可能會一條道走到黑。雖然現在他遇到黨內的壓力和阻力,對他個人的專制或者個人崇拜提出了挑戰。但是現在顯然他在黨內又發起了新的一輪的整肅,使得他又全面掌控了這樣一個權力。包括最近又恢復了對他的個人崇拜和個人專制的輿論上的支持。然後他又選擇這個時機,其實按照原來的日程,訪問中東和非洲這些國家,表明了他掌控權力的一種自信。他認為沒有危險、沒有危機,他才可以去放心的出訪。但是呢很多人都寄予希望說,習近平會不會在壓力下,在碰到南牆、在內外困境的壓力下,最後他會選擇走向蔣經國道路,就是走向一個憲政民主的道路?我認為絕對不可能。」
「 Well, Xi Jinping -- it’s said -- received only an elementary education. He’s a fake doctorate degree holder. Further, his character is somewhat reckless, unlikely to listen to others. So, he’ll be stubborn and stick to his ideas until his collapse. Despite pressure, resistance or challenges from within the party over his dictatorship or personality cult, he has renewed another purging campaign and restored his grip on power. Recently, support for his personality cult and dictatorship has resumed. He chose this moment to visit the Middle East and African countries as scheduled, marking his confidence over his control of power. He had to make sure there’s no danger or crisis in store for him before his visit. However, many hope that Xi will choose to follow President Chiang Ching-kuo as an example towards constitutional democracy. Under huge pressure, domestic and abroad, will he do it? My answer is very definite: Never.」

接下來,我們談一下美俄關係的改善,會怎樣幫助到正在對中國進行貿易戰的美國?
Coming up,How can improved U.S.-Russia relations help the U.S. in its trade war with China?

在中美之間不斷升級的貿易戰中,川普總統在赫爾辛基會見了俄羅斯總統普京。 兩位領導人在之後的聯合新聞發布會上稱這是一次成功的會談。 但是川普總統因其言論涉及俄羅斯幹預2016年大選之事,立即招致民主黨黨員和共和黨黨員的批評。川普說,他「不知道為什麼會是俄羅斯幹涉大選」。 第二天,總統說他說錯了,他本意是想說:「我看不出什麼理由為什麼不會是俄羅斯。」
Narration: Amidst the escalating trade war between the U.S. and China, President Trump met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki. Both leaders called it a success during their joint press conference afterwards. But President Trump immediately faced criticism from both Democrats and Republicans for his comments relating to Russia’s interference in the 2016 election, where he said he「didn’t know why it would be Russia that interfered」. The next day, the president said he misspoke and meant to say,「I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia.」

他後來在推特上寫道:「我非常擔心俄羅斯會強勢介入下一次的總統大選。基於這樣一個事實,即沒有哪位總統比我對俄羅斯更強硬,他們將會對民主黨施加非常大的壓力。」
He later tweeted,「I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming election. Based on the fact that no president has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats.」

由於俄羅斯持續不斷對美國的網絡安全造成威脅,當川普總統邀請普京到白宮會晤時,許多人感到驚訝。
Because of ongoing Russian cybersecurity threats, many were surprised when President Trump invited Putin to the White House.

7月16日,在一檔CNN電視節目《The Situation Room》中接受主持人沃夫·布利哲採訪時,參議員蘭德·保羅為總統進行了辯護。
In a July 16th interview on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer, Sen. Rand Paul defended the president.

參議員蘭德·保羅:「我認為美俄之間有所互動是一個好主意。我認為有些人是屬於川普失序症候群。我認為,有些人非常討厭總統——如果換成是奧巴馬,在他第一屆任期一開始,當他設置重啟鍵,試圖改善與俄羅斯的關係的時候,人們忘記了俄羅斯是一個核大國;他們在敘利亞有影響力;他們距離我們在敘利亞的軍隊很近;他們離朝鮮半島也很近;他們在那裏的一些影響力可以幫到我們。還有一件事沒提到,人們完全忘記了,俄羅斯人曾經試圖幫助我們阻止波士頓馬拉松爆炸案的發生。而且,由於情報交流和溝通,我們實際上確實幫助他們阻止了在聖彼得堡的一起恐怖襲擊事件。」
Senator Rand Paul :「I think that it is a good idea to have engagement. And I think that what is lost in this is I think that there’s a bit of Trump derangement syndrome. I think there are people who hate the president so much that -- this could have easily been President Obama early in his first administration setting the reset button and trying to have better relations with Russia. And I think it’s lost on people that they are a nuclear power, they have influence in Syria, they’re in close proximity to our troops in Syria, they are close to the peninsula of North Korea, and they have some influence that can help us there. Another thing that’s lost -- and people forget this completely -- the Russians tried to help us stop the Boston Marathon bombing. We actually did help them stop a terrorist attack in St. Petersburg because of communicating and exchanging information.」

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):重塑美俄關係確實會在多個方面幫助到美國,包括敘利亞問題、伊朗問題、和朝鮮問題。不過,從另一個角度上看,同樣也會在美中貿易戰中助美國一臂之力。雖然俄羅斯對美國構成威脅,但中共當局對美國的威脅則大得多。所以,針對俄羅斯和中國,川普究竟會採取什麼策略?他是否會達到自己的預期目的?以下是我對資深政論家文昭先生的採訪。
Indeed, resetting U.S.-Russia relations could help the United States in a variety of areas, including Syria, Iran, and North Korea. But looking at it from a different angle, it could also help the U.S. in its trade war with China. Although Russia still poses a threat to the United States, the Chinese regime is a much bigger one. So what exactly is President Trump’s strategy towards Russia and China? And can he accomplish it? I spoke with senior political commentator Wen Zhao about it.

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):「川普總統重建美俄關系的目的是什麽? 會讓美國在中美貿易戰中占據有利地位嗎?」
「 What is President Trump’s purpose in restoring relations with Russia? Would it give America any advantage in the trade war?」

文昭(新唐人資深評論員):「因為川普政府把中國大陸看成是最主要的挑戰者,與俄國修復關系有利於專注應付主要的威脅。盡管俄羅斯吞並克里米亞是個難以被接受的行為,但從美國的全球戰略來講,俄羅斯並非一個真正意義上的對手,俄國的人口是1億4600萬,是韓國的兩倍多;領土面積是韓國的170倍,但2017年它的經濟總量還排在韓國之後,它這點經濟實力在各方面很難有什麽大作為。俄國要再度成為世界大國,第一步是把原蘇聯的其它加盟共和國重新納入它的勢力範圍,而這一步在普京的有生之年都很難做到。所以說俄國盡管在網路黑客和核武器上有一定實力,但是要真的在各個領域和美國平起平坐還有很長的路, 俄目前是安理會的五個常任理事國之一,在這種情況下,把它推向北京並非是一個明智的策略。但是因為對於俄羅斯幹預美國2016年大選的事,美國朝野都不能釋懷,俄國自己也不承認、不認錯,在川普的第一個任期內要重建和俄羅斯關系挑戰還很大。」
「 The Trump administration views China as its primary opponent. Restoring the relationship with Russia would help the U.S. to focus on its main threat. Although it’s still difficult to accept Russia’s annexation of Crimea, from a global strategic perspective, Russia isn’t a real opponent for the U.S. Russia has a population of 146 million, more than twice that of South Korea. Its land area is 170 times that of South Korea’s. However, its economy ranked behind South Korea in 2017. It’s difficult for Russia to make waves. For Russia to become a world power again, it first needs to re-integrate all former Soviet Union countries. This will be difficult to accomplish during Putin’s lifetime. So Russia has a long way to go before it can be considered an equal to the U.S. But Russia is one of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council. To push Russia to Beijing’s side is not a wise strategy. Russia interfered with the U.S. election in 2016. The U.S. won’t let go of that even though Russia would not admit or apologize for it. So during Trump’s first term, restoring the relationship with Russia remains a great challenge. 」

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao): 「中俄有可能成為盟友嗎?」
「 Could China and Russia become allies? 」

文昭(新唐人資深評論員):「如果10年以上的眼光,中俄同盟缺少戰略支撐,主要原因是,中國很難從經濟上和俄羅斯建立起緊密的聯系,中俄的所謂共同利益主要存在於個別的政治議題上。和俄國遠東部分相鄰的國家比較貧窮——蒙古、朝鮮, 稍稍富裕的地區是中國東北,但是近年也是處於衰退當中,民眾富裕程度遠遜色於沿海省分、也落後於很多內陸省分。俄羅斯遠東的接壤地區普遍貧窮,意味著缺少有消費力的市場,也就沒有拉動俄羅斯遠東經濟增長的動力。俄羅斯的經濟復蘇最終還是得依賴歐洲。中俄的貿易結構也很單一。中國從俄羅斯采購的大宗商品就是能源,但是現在由於美國的頁岩油技術革命,它也成了石油和天然氣的出口大國,與俄羅斯的能源買賣是否合算就成了爭議。在克里米亞危機之後,中俄簽了能源采購大單,但是中國國內一直有反對的聲音,認為出於政治原因買了俄羅斯的高價天然是虧了。另一個關鍵因素是人口:俄羅斯長期的經濟衰退,它遠東地區的人口還在不斷向它的歐洲部分流動。這讓俄羅斯政府對廣袤的遠東地區如何實現有效控制產生了焦慮,也就使俄國對人口膨脹的中國大陸產生了難以消除的戒心。還有中俄爭奪對從前蘇聯獨立出來的中亞國家的影響力,這些因素讓中俄同盟的持久穩定性有很大問題。」
「Taking a long-term view beyond 10 years, China and Russia lack strategic support to form an alliance. The main reason is that China will find it hard to form close economic ties with Russia. Mutual benefits for China and Russia are only restricted to a few political topics. Geographically, Russia’s neighbors are economically weak, such as Mongolia and North Korea. Northeast China is slightly richer, but in recent years, it is economically shrinking. The wealth level is far behind coastal provinces and many inland provinces. Russia borders with many poor regions, which means that they won’t stimulate economic growth in Russia. Recovery in Russia will continue to depend on Europe. The trade relationship between China and Russia is also very simple. China purchases energy resources from Russia. However, due to its shale oil technology, the U.S. now is a large exporter of oil and natural gas. It becomes questionable from a cost-benefit perspective for China to purchase energy from Russia. After the Crimean crisis, China and Russia signed large contracts to purchase energy. Within China, though, there isn’t agreement on this; some believe that purchasing more expansive energy from Russia, purely based on political motive, isn’t really beneficial to China. Another key factor is population. Because of the long-term recession, the far East population continues to flow to Europe. This causes anxiety for the government since it’s difficult to control. So Russia remains suspicious of China, given its growing population. Lastly, China continues to compete with Russia to gain influence over the countries that became independent from the former Soviet Union. All these factors make it challenging for Russia and China to form a long-term stable alliance. 」

蕭茗(Host/ Simone Gao):僅僅在30年前,統治著蘇聯這片土地和人民的獨裁者們還坐在談判桌前,與美國面對面談判。那時候,他們看起來非常強大,不可一世。冷戰結束兩年後,蘇聯解體了,里根總統一改前任徐而圖之的外交政策,為那個時代龐大的蘇共政權的垮臺鋪平了道路。如今,川普會為美國再次帶來同樣的榮耀嗎?這一次,俄羅斯將會作何選擇?在譜寫歷史的時刻,人民又會作何抉擇?感謝您收看本期的《世事關心》, 我是蕭茗, 下周再見。
Only 30 years ago, dictators who ruled over the land and people of the Soviet Union sat at the opposite end of the negotiating table with the U.S. They appeared strong and terrifying. Two years after the Cold War ended, the Soviet Union dissolved. Reversing his predecessor’s détente foreign policy, Reagan paved the way for the collapse of the behemoth communist regime of his day. Will Donald Trump achieve the same glory for America again? This time, which side will Russia choose? How will the people choose sides in the making of history? Thanks for watching Zooming In. I’m Simone Gao. See you next week.



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Producer:Simone Gao
Writer:Simone Gao Michelle Wan Jess Beatty
Editors:Julian Kuo Bin Tang Melodie Von
Narrator: Rich Crankshaw
Cameraman:Wei Wu
Transcription: Jess Beatty
Translation:Frank Yue Michelle Wan Bin Tang Guiru Zhang
Special Effects:Harrison Sun
Assistant producer:Sherry Chang Bin Tang Merry Jiang


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